Comments on: Elgg extensions disappear from groups

By: Phil

Phil — Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:50:05 +0000

I notice that Dave Tosh has his profile set to: “testing various platforms”. Maybe they’re just too busy?
Hopefully they’ll indicate some sort of approval to a parallel development group. Could take some of the pressure off curverider?

By: Tom

Tom — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:14:47 +0000

@Cash- good point, I will try and get in touch with them. What we really need is some kind signal of confidence… Sure, it is all volunteer work, but some of us are using the software for serious matters and we like to understand their ideas for the future, their role and what they expect from the community…

@Steve- indeed, it should not come to that. I am a strong believer of open communication – live and let live. So, I think the Curveriders deserve all credit and rewards, virtual and real.

@all- jumping ahead, but have you looked recently at the new Sourceforge? I could envision moving the Google forum to their new environment. We could simply organize around plugins /themes and let the forum and revisions flow under that. It’s clear, simple, free and proven 50.000++ times;) Besides, it could operate in full harmony next to Curverider’s Community and core…

Well, let’s first hear what they have to say… We share the same goals afterall

By: Steve

Steve — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:59:29 +0000

I know they have continued to work on things behind the scenes. For example, on their community site, The Wire now works properly.

@Tom. I certainly hope it won’t come to that, but their disappearance is not confidence inspiring.

I can contact them I guess, but they are not real happy with me. I don’t know if they are reading this blog currently.

By: Cash

Cash — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:03:34 +0000

@Tom: Have you brought up your concerns to the Curverider team?

A little bit of good news is that Marcus has committed (at least) two bug fixes today.

By: Tom

Tom — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:30:50 +0000

@David: yes, I guess they can use some help. I just checked. The 3 core dev’s have been silent since 2 weeks and that should not happen on this…

@Steve: we are meeting this week with our dev team to discuss…forking. This really is a (very) bad scenario, but it is quite serious: we jeopardize our project if we stand still for 2 weeks and counting …

By: Cash

Cash — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:12:00 +0000

*new members* have their comments moderated on the developers forum. I don't know the definition of new members for google. For yahoo groups, I believe the owner of the group has to actually change the person's status. I'm hoping that google is using a counter because right now my comments are going into a black-hole. Anyway, I think the development of resources outside of the google groups and elgg.org is a good thing.

By: David Moon

David Moon — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:43:29 +0000

Is there no other major “unofficial” resource for elgg developers and users?

It seems to me that the developers at elgg need a little bit of help in public and community relations.

By: Steve

Steve — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:20:51 +0000

I’m able to post to the developer’s group without moderation. I’m certainly not aware that I have any special permissions. Anyone else?

These guys have been around for awhile. We don’t have to worry about Elgg 1 disappearing. I think that it would be beneficial if they maintain a presence in their communities along with addressing some concerns.

I know that it isn’t easy. I have made a few simple extensions and have occasionally gotten frustrated with supporting these alone.

Clearly there is documentation, from the user level and up, that need to be fleshed out for this project to become more widely implemented.

By: Cash

Cash — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:31:40 +0000

@Steve

At least for the developers group, new members have their comments moderated. I’m still waiting for a comment to be posted from Saturday. I don’t know if this has changed, but only managers can post files for that group too.

I share the same concern as all of you do – that Curverider could decide to shut down elgg.org without notice and we lose all of those efforts.

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:49:24 +0000

@Steve:

Brainstorm 1: you know what would be best is: one Wiki, for Community Documentation as well as plugin repository with an easy way for each user to simply take a zipped copy of the database. In that sense we all know we can reanimate if it comes to it.

Brainstorm 2: we do have open data on Elgg…right? So it should be possible to replicate the whole community content on another install? If that takes place on a regular basis, it also solves the issue…

I am curious if the core-dev’s would be willing to listen to the idea and understand our concerns…

By: Steve

Steve — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:12:56 +0000

@Tom In fact I have already set up a mediawiki on this site in anticipation of this. I haven’t been able to give it quite as much time as I was working on some presentations for and Educational technology conference (on my favorite subject: open source server side apps for Web 2.0).

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:03:07 +0000

Absolutely… and I guess MediaWiki should be the one? Elgg uses it, it is big enough and there even seem to be connections written so that might one day become useful as well…

Let’s sleep a night on this